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Monday, July 13, 2009

New York State Education Department Says They Will Take a Close Look At Credit Recovery

(L-R) NYSUT Executive Vice President Alan Lubin, Interim State Education Commissioner Carole Huxley, and Educational Conference Board Chairman Edward McCormick listen to Board of Regents Chancellor Merryl Tisch address members of ECB June 11. Photo by Andrew Watson.

In New York City the way that graduation rates go up is by having students recover credits that they have failed to obtain by (1) clicking answers in a computer program until a right answer is reached, (2) showing up at a course and filling out a worksheet, etc. Anything that works to get students out of crowded classrooms.

The New York Times quotes Merryl Tisch as follows:
“The days of driving Mack trucks through this policy are officially over,” Merryl H. Tisch, chancellor of the State Board of Regents, said in a recent interview. “We are going to put real teeth on this.” (see article blow - Editor)

July 13, 2009
Makeup Work Allows Students to Slide by, Critics Say

A year after reports showed that New York City high schools were offering failing students a chance to earn credit simply by completing worksheets or attending weeklong cram sessions, educators say the system of making up schoolwork is still abused, and the state is seeking to crack down on it.

At William H. Maxwell Career and Technical Education High School in Brooklyn, for instance, a nearly illiterate student racked up many of his credits through after-school remediation programs. He was promoted to 12th grade still unable to write full sentences or read a line of text, his teachers said.

At Mathematics, Science Research and Technology Magnet High School in Queens, several students were awarded credit last school year for clicking through questions on a computer screen until they got the right answer, teachers said.

In an era when school districts nationwide are under immense pressure to increase test scores and graduation rates, cities like New York, Chicago and Washington have turned to alternatives known as credit recovery to prevent struggling students from dropping out. To “recover” lost credits from failed classes, these students typically complete interactive lessons online, write extra papers or finish stacks of worksheets after school or during breaks.

When used properly, most educators agree, credit recovery can be a valuable tool. But many states, including New York, lack clear standards to regulate the programs, opening the door for lax supervision, cursory work and little incentive for students to try hard the first time around, critics say.

Officials at the city’s Department of Education, after clarifying rules on credit recovery with 20 principals last year and investigating reports of abuse, said there was no evidence of widespread impropriety. They said recently that principals and teachers were monitoring the programs effectively to make sure students have mastered the material before being awarded credit.

“We’re not conceding that the schools were a kind of Wild West of ad hoc credit recovery on the cheap, with bizarre sorts of makeup opportunities for kids,” said David Cantor, the department’s chief spokesman. “Most schools were making a diligent attempt.”

He added, however, that “in a system this size, people will game you.”

State education officials began looking at credit recovery programs and independent study last year after an article in The New York Times documented abuses at several schools.

“The days of driving Mack trucks through this policy are officially over,” Merryl H. Tisch, chancellor of the State Board of Regents, said in a recent interview. “We are going to put real teeth on this.”

But there is no consensus on how to do that. A preliminary state policy, written in collaboration with the city, would require a panel of principals and teachers to approve each use of credit recovery and mandate that a teacher certified in the appropriate subject oversee students trying to make up credits.

But some think that still leaves opportunity for abuse. David C. Bloomfield, a professor of education at Brooklyn College and former president of the city’s high school parent council, suggested that school officials note on transcripts any credits that are earned through nontraditional means. Assemblyman Alan N. Maisel, (at right) a

Brooklyn Democrat, has called for barring students who are absent more than 50 percent of the time from participating in credit recovery programs and requiring superintendent approval of such programs.

Michael Rosenthal, a teacher at Mathematics, Science Research and Technology Magnet High School, said the proposed state policy falls short.

“The people who are going to be judged and who are going to be given a reward based on things like statistics and credits and Regents exams,” he said, “should not be the people at the end of the day who are in charge of deciding who should receive the credit.”

But Jennifer Bell-Ellwanger, a city education official who helped shape the proposed regulations, cautioned against too many restrictions.

“If we become too prescriptive here, then we also run the risk of not being able to have students acquire the credits that they need,” she said. “We want to ensure that our students stay in school, that they are engaged in school, that they don’t drop out.”

Chancellor Tisch said the state planned to implement new regulations this fall. She said she would like to limit the number of credits students can earn through credit recovery and prevent low-performing schools from running the programs. She proposed sending failing students instead to academic powerhouses like Stuyvesant High School for makeup classes.

Later this year, the state will also attempt to close loopholes in guidelines for independent study by restricting it to students seeking enrichment.

As city graduation rates have climbed to their highest levels in decades (the four-year rate hit 56 percent in 2008, up 10 percentage points since 2005) some believe easy credit recovery programs have helped bump up the numbers. City officials note, however, that graduation now requires not only credits but also passage of Regents exams in a variety of subjects. (While 74 percent of city public school graduates require remediation in English and math when they arrive at community colleges, according to city data, that is down from the 82 percent needing such help when the mayor took control of the system in 2002.)

The Department of Education said it did not track the number of credit recovery programs, the number of credits recovered in them or the number of reports of abuse, so it was impossible to know if the programs’ use or abuse had become more or less common recently.

Mr. Cantor, the department’s spokesman, said that credit recovery had existed for decades and that any abuse was not substantial enough to affect graduation rates. In a recent memo, state education officials suggested the practice had become more popular.

Randi Weingarten, president of the city teachers’ union, said educators frequently complained about the ease of the programs. Efforts by the Department of Education to clarify standards at some schools were promising, she said, but “there’s still a lot of gaming.”

“It’s in their interest, it’s in our interest, to show that more and more kids are taking and passing their courses,” she said. “Whether it’s an isolated case or not, it’s a problem.”

Robert L. Hughes, president of New Visions for Public Schools, an organization that supports educators at 76 city schools, said his group was studying the relationship between how students acquire credit and their performance on Regents exams.

“Ideally you wouldn’t want kids to do credit recovery,” he said. “But there are instances when it’s legitimate, so it’s just trying to ensure we have an understanding of how it works and only using it when it’s legitimate.”

Fairness is also an issue, students and teachers said.

After failing four classes in ninth grade, Taisha Jimenez, a 2008 graduate of Essex Street Academy in Manhattan, enrolled in summer school to make up the credits.

She was startled to learn later that some of her classmates avoided the intensive summer classes by simply turning in an extra project.

“The kids who had the opportunity to do that — they enjoyed every single minute,” she said. “I worked so hard, and this one kid who didn’t want to do anything in class doesn’t have to work as hard as me. I was so upset.”

Comment on this article by NYC BOE Press spokesperson David Cantor:

This is bogus. Not only has the enrollment rate of NYC high school graduates gone up 50% at CUNY schools since 2002, it has gone up modestly at SUNY colleges as well.

Also, the reference to Regents test scoring is completely bollixed. Students do not need to score "33%" on the Algebra test in order to pass. They need a raw score this year of 30 out of a possible 87, but the test isn't divided into equal intervals. For example, a raw score of 19 yields a scale score of 49, while a raw score of 20 yields a scale score of 51; looked at another way, raw scores of 63, 64, 65, and 66 all yield a scale score of 84.

Additionally, the raw score needed to pass changes each year depending on the difficulty of the test's questions; while a student in 2009 needed a raw score of 30, next year a student may need a raw score of 40. Using the mistaken calculation below, and assuming 87 were to remain the high raw score, students would need to score "46%" to pass. By the logic here the State would deserve praise for raising standards.

David Cantor
Press Secretary

Credit Recovery and Joel Klein's Direct Harm to Students

We now know that Joel Klein was appointed CEO of the public school system to institute a city-wide cleansing of New York City's public schools, and create data that "fit" with the strategic plan of Mayor Mike Bloomberg to have total control over $16 billion+.

Along with the no-bid contracts, revision of IEPs without parental knowledge or consent, changing of city-wide tests to dumbed-down versions, "revised new-new" math to make all the data look good, and fudging of graduation rates, test scores,etc., Joel Klein also mandated that Principals promote students not prepared for a higher grade or current grade completion - students who survived superintendent suspensions, corporal punishment, verbal abuse and failing grades - with something called "credit recovery". Cute.

While members of the Panel For Educational Policy believe that they can pretend that they are doing a public service, the public is on to the sham. Social promotion has taken a new name: credit recovery.

Posted By David Bloomfield, (pictured at right),June 10, 2009 @ 10:17 am

By failing to set standards or even track the use of credit recovery in New York City schools, Chancellor Joel Klein has provided a convenient back door for students to pass courses and graduate without subject mastery. The State Education Department has now capitulated to this agenda by promulgating a draft policy [1] based on unpublicized negotiations with the city Department of Education. If implemented, the policy would do nothing to stem this tide of empty credits but, rather, encourage credit recovery by officially recognizing and regularizing it but with inadequate controls and monitoring.

What is credit recovery? The term is sometimes used technically to denote a formal program, such as summer school, with specified content, attendance, and assessment requirements. But the term is widely applied to any effort to help students pass courses that they would otherwise fail because of incomplete or below-standard work. These students substitute the extra work for regular assessments by writing a paper, taking a test, or providing some other evidence of proficiency in a narrow course topic.

Under the new state policy, schools would need only create a committee (which would not include the student’s teacher) to approve a student’s customized credit recovery plan for a course. The same committee would then review evidence of student proficiency once the plan was completed. The State does not require minimum class attendance or proof that the plan addresses all subject matter deficiencies. If a teacher says a book report suffices to show proficiency, the committee would not need to inquire beyond the teacher’s word. No record of how many courses a student passed using CR would be maintained. There would be no monitoring of assignments’ rigor or the frequency of CR’s use by teachers, schools, or the system as a whole.

What is the problem, though, with giving students a second chance at passing or completing a course by filling in the gaps? First, without standards, there is no way to determine whether credit recovery assignments actually fill those gaps. Second, a course is more than the sum of its parts. For example, a student might fail a test in one unit of geometry and possibly another but if he or she understands other basic geometric concepts, they will likely pass the course. Course failure demonstrates significant overall deficits in factual and conceptual knowledge that a single assignment or mini-course can not erase. But passing the course will mean a lot to the student’s, the teacher’s, and the school’s appearance of success.

Helping students over the hump through credit recovery is not limited to New York City. Nationally, education publishers including Plato and Pearson sell credit recovery kits. But the DOE’s emphasis on data-based accountability, particularly high school credit accumulation and graduation, seems to have resulted in an explosion of credit recovery in New York. Schools are under tremendous pressure, through school report cards’ A-F rating, to produce progress in these metrics.

Credit recovery is a direct route to helping students and schools achieve the 10 credits each year that serve as the DOE’s benchmark of success. Then, with passing grades and a little luck on the Regents — often obtained through narrow and repeated test preparation — students are on pace to graduate. For hundreds of school principals, looking over their shoulders to stay ahead of the peer group against which they are measured, this is a matter of professional life and death. If one principal looks the other way on credit recovery in their schools, others are penalized for more rigorous standards. This race to the bottom will now be officially sanctioned by the State, urged on by Chancellor Klein.

If we do not reject this new policy proposal, more children will seem to be succeeding in high school and more will seem to be graduating with college- and job-readiness. But this will be a mirage. We will be gaming the system for students and administrators alike. We will be saluting proxies rather than real academic achievement.

The Board of Regents needs to put an end to this charade by rejecting this mockery and re-establishing high academic expectations for our youth.

David C. Bloomfield heads the Educational Leadership Program at Brooklyn College, CUNY and is an elected parent member of the Citywide Council on High Schools. He is the author of American Public Education Law.

Marc Epstein
Not Worth the Paper . . .
New York’s public schools have replaced social promotion with universal promotion
1 June 2009

New York City Schools Chancellor Joel Klein’s vision of education reform is based on his idea of the “business model” of accountability and results—which sounds good in principle. Producing numbers that show bottom-line progress is essential to demonstrating Klein’s success. The city’s much-touted improvement in student test scores, though dubious, has convinced many observers that substantial progress is happening. To keep the momentum going and appease the Department of Education’s number crunchers, school administrators strive constantly to improve graduation rates. One of the easiest ways of doing this, unfortunately, is to water down course-credit standards for graduation.

For years now, schools have been switching to “annualization” of their course offerings. Under this structure, students who fail the first semester of a sequential course (say, English 5 and 6) can get credit for both terms if they pass the second semester. The practical effect of this change is to destroy the work ethic of those students who’ve figured out how to game the system. By their junior and senior years, they know that they can blow off the first term and, with some effort in the second, get credit for the full course. For the schools’ part, annualization obviates the need to create costly, inefficient “off-track” spring sections of sequential courses for students who failed the fall section. This helps cut down drastically on night school and summer school, and also sends graduation rates skyward. Under this flawed model, teachers face inexorable pressure to get their numbers up in the second term, however they can.

The education department has taken other questionable steps to boost graduation rates. Consider the fate of summer school. Even as recently as 13 years ago, when I first taught summer classes, the course standards and rules were strictly enforced. Three absences resulted in a student’s automatic termination from the program, and a disciplinary infraction would have the same result. But Harold Levy, Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s last schools chancellor, instituted a kinder and gentler system of asking, if not begging, kids to show up. Teachers were paid to call home and implore parents to send their kids, while a smiling Levy appeared on the evening news, manning the phones himself. Principals would let kids come late, allow them to disappear for two-week vacations in the middle of summer, and drop the issue of passing them into teachers’ laps, asking them to use “discretion.” Then, under Mayor Bloomberg and Chancellor Klein, the old Summer and Evening Division was eliminated altogether in a cost-saving move. A vastly shrunken summer-school operation, run individually by the schools with no outside oversight, retains very little of the old system’s tough standards.

The schools began implementing a program known as “credit recovery,” driven, again, by the pressure on city high school principals to improve their dismal graduation rates. Through credit recovery, a student can receive credit for a failed course after attending at least nine hours of class and completing a total of 25 hours of work. The credit-recovery classes are held during school vacations or in after-school programs. They’re sometimes referred to as “boot camp,” in order to conjure up images of Camp Lejeune in July. State and city directives always call for “rigorous” standards for these programs, but one doesn’t need to be an education policy expert to judge that nine hours in class is a paltry substitute for 16 weeks of class work, or even the 36 hours of summer school in the old system. What amount to extra-credit assignments cannot substitute for course proficiency. Besides, no statewide mechanism for auditing these programs really exists, so it’s left up to the full faith and credit of each school to ensure that they’re reputable. Stories about schools “stuffing” credit-recovery programs to boost graduation figures are legion.

But it gets worse. Until now, students who’ve failed a course must have spent a certain amount of time in that class (known as “seat time”) to be eligible for credit recovery. Last month, however, the State Education Department issued a draft proposal declaring that “seat time” will no longer be a prerequisite. Instead, a school-based committee made up of certified teachers and the principal will set the standards. “The provisions . . . do not require specific seat time requirements for the make-up opportunity since the opportunity must be tailored to the individual student’s need,” the memo declares. This alternative approach renders Chancellor Klein’s own regulations—which call for 90 percent attendance and “successful completion of standards in subject areas”—meaningless.

New York City’s much-heralded end to social promotion in schools has been replaced by something even worse—totally empty, if not universal, promotion. Partly as a result of new policies like credit recovery, this June’s graduation rates will likely reach record highs. Klein’s supporters will once again sound their optimistic refrain about educational progress. But at some point, ordinary New Yorkers, largely excluded from the education debate, will begin to realize that the progress is not what it seems.

Marc Epstein, a teacher at Jamaica High School, served as its dean of students for six years.

Under pressure to raise graduation rates, some high schools are turning to online courses to help faltering students revive their academic careers and retrieve the credits they need to earn their diplomas.
By Andrew Trotter

As alternatives to remedial lessons, summer school, and other traditional ways of getting struggling high school students back on track, technology-based options for “credit recovery” have been expanding.

“It’s a huge area of growth, especially in the last three years,” says Susan D. Patrick, the president and chief executive officer of the North American Council for Online Learning, a Vienna, Va.-based trade association for online schools.

Most of the new credit-recovery options are online programs offered by virtual schools and commercial curriculum providers. They offer approaches to individualizing instruction that are targeted and packaged for credit recovery, according to the companies and other providers offering the programs.

Credit recovery, or credit retrieval, is usually defined as an in-school opportunity for students to earn academic credits that they have lost, or are about to lose, by failing a regular course.
Michael J. Greene, 18, left, spent the spring in the "Apex lab" run by teacher Kim Feltner, right, at Pine Ridge High School in the Volusia County, Fla., district.
—Gerardo Mora for Education Week

Such options are available from an array of online-curriculum companies, such as Apex Learning Inc. and Plato Learning Inc., as well as nonprofit providers such as the Orlando-based Florida Virtual School and the Atlanta-based Georgia Virtual School.

Providers say they tailor learning to individual students, by using flexible pacing and schedules, extra practice, frequent assessment, and robust monitoring and reporting on participation and progress, while also allowing openings for personal interaction with teachers.

Their learning-management systems tend to have such typical online tools as e-mail, online assessments, and databases. Courses mirror, and are cross-referenced to, states’ academic standards.

Marc Epstein
The Regents, Stuck on Stupid
New York’s statewide exams get a little dumber every year.

City Journal 23 July 2008

A year ago, I wrote about the dumbing down of New York State’s Regents exams, the five tests in core subjects that students must pass to get a regular high school diploma. Since then, little has changed—unless it’s that the exams have become even dumber. Look no further than this year’s United States History and Government exam for 11th-graders.

The test has three parts and a total of 75 points weighted and calculated to total 100 percent, in a Byzantine formula established in Albany. Fifty multiple-choice questions, along with 15 document-based questions, account for 65 of those points. The student’s raw score is then plotted on a conversion chart provided by the state in combination with the student’s score on two essays, which account for the total score’s remaining ten points. If a student receives as few as 36 points out of 65 in the first two parts of the exam, he can still pass the Regents by earning five out of the ten essay points. According to the point-conversion chart, if he scores 50 points in the first two parts, he doesn’t even have to answer an essay question to pass—because his overall grade is already a 65, the minimum passing grade. If you’re confused by this elaborate scoring system, you’re not alone. But the key point is that students who get fewer than half of the questions correct can pass. And this leniency applies to other Regents tests as well. Students taking the algebra exam, for instance, need only earn a “raw score” of 30—out of a possible 87 points—to pass.

Some might argue that the rigor of the examinations justifies this system of weighting scores. That’s laughable. Consider some of the questions on the history exam. The multiple-choice section features a political cartoon in which a Supreme Court justice points to a chart showing pictures of the three branches of government. The cartoon reads “U.S. Constitution” at the top and “checks and balances” at the bottom. The test question asks: “Which constitutional principle is the focus of the cartoon?” This is all too typical of the half-dozen graphs, maps, and cartoon questions in this section of the test.

The document-based questions account for another 15 points; information garnered from them is then incorporated into one of the essay questions. Students need no prior knowledge of American history to answer the questions successfully. For example, a picture of students outside Little Rock Central High School, where troops guard the schoolhouse doors, bears the caption: “A white student passes through an Arkansas National Guard line as Elizabeth Eckford is turned away on September 4, 1957.” A second photo of Elizabeth Eckford, a black student, reads, “a mob surrounds Elizabeth Eckford outside Central High School in Little Rock, Arkansas.” The question asks the student to describe what happened to Eckford when she tried to attend Central High School! Another photo depicts the eventual resolution of the Little Rock standoff, when the military enforced desegregation rulings at President Eisenhower’s command. The caption reads: “On September 25, 1957 federal troops escort the Little Rock Nine to their classes at Central High School.” The student is asked, “Based on this photograph, what was the job of the United States Army troops in Little Rock, Arkansas?”

The thematic essay requires students to discuss two people, other than presidents, who played significant roles that led to changes in the nation’s economy, government, or society. In case the students can’t come up with any names, a list is provided: Margaret Sanger, Bill Gates, Henry Ford, César Chávez, Martin Luther King, Jr., Frederick Douglass, Andrew Carnegie, Jacob Riis, and Upton Sinclair. If that’s not enough, the test even provides the nine people’s fields of endeavor.

An examination that neither requires a mastery of a body of knowledge nor demands the proper competence in reading and writing for its grade level measures nothing. However, it does perform a useful, albeit cynical, function: deceiving those who wish to be deceived. While some government officials pursue the content of our foods with a vengeance—restaurants in New York City may no longer use trans fats, and many are also required to display the number of calories in their food—others seem to be busy manipulating the content of our kids’ exams in order to yield pleasing results. All the rhetoric calling for higher standards and improved teacher and student performance turns out to be nothing more than bluster. In the end, there is only one difficult question that the Regents exam poses: What does a student have to do to fail?

Marc Epstein was a contributor to A Consumer’s Guide to High School History Textbooks, edited by Diane Ravitch. He teaches history at Jamaica High School in New York City.

Regents math test was quite a challenge
‘Raw score’ of 30 was enough to pass

National Standards, Charter Schools and Teacher Recruitment/Dismissal: The Confluence of Policy and Politics

Credit Recovery

Mark Green Runs For Public Advocate...Please Say It Aint So

On monday, July 13, 2009, the New York Times has the following article:

July 13, 2009
Back on the Campaign Trail, Despite His 2006 Vow

Outside the Fairway market on the Upper West Side the other day, not far from the cartons of strawberries and cases of Fiji Water, a voice pleaded for attention. “I’m Mark Green, Democrat for public advocate,” it said again and again, as shoppers headed in and out of the store. “If you sign my petition for 30 seconds, I can get on the ballot to run for office again.”

A handful of people recognized Mr. Green, the man who three years ago declared he would never again seek office.

But most did not break stride. So Mr. Green cupped his hand to his face and shouted: “If you sign, I get on the ballot. If you don’t, I’ll cry.”

It was not that long ago that Mr. Green drew far more notice, almost defeating a billionaire named Michael R. Bloomberg in the 2001 mayor’s race, and falling to a political scion named Andrew M. Cuomo in the 2006 primary for attorney general. But this time, he is part of the undercard in another general election, and facing unexpected challenges as he tries to reclaim a job that he occupied for much of the 1990s.

He has raised relatively little money. He has collected a fraction of the endorsements he received in the past. With few major politicians, unions or Democratic clubs as allies, he is collecting ballot petitions himself. And other than two recent appearances with Betsy Gotbaum, the current public advocate, and other candidates for the office to criticize Mr. Bloomberg’s cuts to the advocate’s budget, he has been keeping an unusually muted profile.

“Why would I have a press conference and have no one come?” Mr. Green said on a recent morning as he collected signatures outside a Chelsea subway stop. “Who wants to come listen to the Mark Green economic development plan?”

The conventional wisdom holds that the Sept. 15 primary remains Mr. Green’s to lose because he is better known than any of the other Democratic candidates: Norman Siegel, the civil liberties lawyer, and two City Council members: Bill de Blasio of Brooklyn and Eric N. Gioia of Queens. The Republican candidate is Alex T. Zablocki, a political aide from Staten Island.

But political analysts say Mr. Green may not clear the 40 percent threshold needed to avoid a runoff. And if he fails to do so, whoever ends up as his rival may have more momentum — especially if it is Mr. de Blasio, who commands strong labor support.

“Mark Green has run so many times and he has tapped the same donors so many times that there may be some Green fatigue,” said Douglas Muzzio, a professor of political science at Baruch College. “Maybe that’s why he’s running such an under-the-radar campaign.”

Following his loss to Mr. Cuomo — and after stating unequivocally in 2006, “I will not seek elective office again” — Mr. Green is back on the hunt for votes, driven in large part, he says, by his anger over Mr. Bloomberg’s overturning of term limits.

Since announcing his candidacy in March, Mr. Green has collected more than $400,000, of which $110,000 in contributions of up to $175 each qualify for a $6-to-$1 match of public funds. He said that he was confident he would reach the $125,000 threshold in contributions qualifying for matching funds by Aug. 11, in time for the stretch run, according his campaign manager, Anne Strahle.

By contrast, Mr. Gioia has raised $2 million and Mr. de Blasio, who announced his bid last fall, $1.1 million. (Mr. Gioia, some say jokingly, has been running for advocate since winning his second Council term in 2005.)

“I have to do in six months what others have been doing for years,” Mr. Green said. “I think it’s an advantage for me in that I’ve been a consumer advocate and public advocate in front of voters for a long time. I am happy where I am. I’m a hopeless optimist.”

Part of Mr. Green’s rationale for relying on name recognition among likely primary voters, rather than a visible campaign, could be what even former aides say is his polarizing personality. Though he is still the same liberal lion, committed to economic justice and civil rights, many political insiders believe him to be arrogant and solipsistic, qualities not likely to endear him to voters.

When asked recently after a City Hall news conference what his schedule would be like over the next few days, Mr. Green scrolled through his iPhone and said: “Petitioning. Fund-raising. Petitioning. Fund-raising. No events.”

Mr. Green said that he could not stay silent when he heard about the Bloomberg administration’s 40 percent budget cut for the public advocate’s office. But that prompted some people to wonder whether Mr. Green and the other candidates for advocate were motivated chiefly by self-interest.

Indeed, with the exception of Mr. Siegel, who has no other publicly stated political ambitions, whoever wins would be well positioned to run for mayor in 2013, Professor Muzzio said.

Mr. Green scoffs at such talk. He says that the city desperately needs an independent — and in his case, seasoned — public advocate to stand up to Mr. Bloomberg, and the City Council speaker, Christine C. Quinn. Under the City Charter, the public advocate, whose role is to be an ombudsman for complaints about city government, is next in line to succeed the mayor.

“Some people say, ‘You’re running again?’ ” Mr. Green said. “I say, ‘I don’t run to run, but to serve.’ I also never hear, ‘Let the new guy do it.’ I always hear, ‘You’re the experienced guy who helped me before.’ ”

But first Mr. Green needs to collect the signatures of 7,500 registered voters. So he multitasks. At the start of the gay pride parade last month, he gathered his team of about a dozen college volunteers in a huddle, and, acting like a quarterback, told them to go wide to the sidewalk barricades, armed with their petition clipboards.

“It’s a great day for gay pride and rights, but we can’t help it — we’ve got to petition,” Mr. Green said, adding that he enjoyed interacting with voters.

At the Fairway market, Mr. Green ran into old friends, like Lloyd Constantine, a close associate of former Gov. Eliot Spitzer. Mr. Constantine promised to send a campaign contribution that weekend. Mr. Spitzer had already given $2,000.

A few said they wished Mr. Green were running for mayor. Others asked, perhaps cynically, “What are you running for now?” One even confused him — and this was a first, Mr. Green noted — with Scott M. Stringer, the Manhattan borough president, who, with his glasses, gravelly voice and shorter, stockier frame, would be difficult to mistake for a long-lost twin of Mr. Green’s.

“It humbles the candidate,” said Michael Gaspard, Mr. Green’s political director. “You’ve got to go out, meet voters, get reaction. It’s a good process.”

The reaction of Jessica Nooney, who runs a day care center on the Upper West Side, may have been emblematic. She blurted out, with a big smile, “Are you the real Mark Green?”

He nodded. She said: “It’s the real Mark Green! We need you!”

After she left, and passed the next street corner, where a New York University student was collecting signatures for Leslie Crocker Snyder’s bid for Manhattan district attorney, Ms. Nooney acknowledged feeling torn.

“He’s a household name, and I hope he makes it,” she said. “But it’s very sad. It’s like he can’t get another job. When someone has lost so many times, it’s kind of hard to come back.”

My daughter Sari was told to move from her 10 inch spot
by Betsy Combier

My oldest daughter - when we found her again - got a job handing out "Metro" newspapers while standing at the 86th street Lexington Avenue subway stop, in 2006 (northwest corner).

One morning she called me and told me that a man by the name of "Mark Green for Attorney General" had come up to her and told her that the very spot that she was standing, all ten inches, was HIS spot, and she had to move. She asked me what she should do.

I told her that I knew someone who worked on Mr. Green's campaign, Hank Sheinkopf, and I would call him to find out why Mark Green couldnt take another spot on the sidewalk at 86th Street and Lex. But, I said, "why not give him the spot that he wanted, just for today?" She did.

Here is an email that Hank sent out about his new position working for Mark Green:

From: Mark Green []
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:00 AM
Subject: Hank Sheinkopf: Why I'm Working for Mark Green for AG

Dear Friends,

I've this week joined the Mark Green for Attorney General Campaign as chief political strategist and would like to explain why.

In the past I've worked for some terrific candidates and public officials -- President Bill Clinton, Attorney General Eliot Spitzer, Comptroller Carl McCall, Comptroller Bill Thompson, Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum. I think I understand public talent, public commitment and public integrity. Mark has all three.

Especially because we're discussing a successor to Eliot Spitzer, who set the bar high for the next attorney general, no standard politician or lawyer will do as our party's nominee. NYS needs someone special to succeed someone special. And David Boies said it best: "This is the job that Mark was born to do."

On the merits, Mark is head and shoulders better qualified than Andrew Cuomo. Mark has already excelled at two very similar offices in New York -- he was the consumer fraud prosecutor running the 300 person NYC Department of Consumer Affairs and was the elected Public Advocate for NYC. No one else comes close to this 11 year experience and record in New York State for the office of Attorney General -- not to mention that the 20 books he's written or edited shows a person of great substance who can think for himself.

If "the best rationale wins," as Mario Cuomo always said, then on the merits Mark's a winner.

But what about the politics of this race?

Of all the candidates considering a run, only Mark has won six elections -- and in large jurisdictions, not just an assembly district. He's won two general elections NYC-wide for Public Advocate, each time getting more votes than Rudy Giuliani. And he's won four Democratic primaries, including for Mayor against such formidable opponents as Hevesi, Vallone and Ferrer.

Andrew Cuomo does have a modest head start in polls, almost entirely because of his last name recognition upstate...but then he also had that same head start in 2002 before quitting once voters began paying attention. Last week's Quinnipiac Poll, showing both Mark and Andy defeating Jeanine Pirro, was interesting in this context. Among Democrats statewide, which is our "primary" concern, Mark had a 33% favorable vs. a 9% unfavorable, for a 24 percentage point net favorable -- while Andy had a 31% vs. 14% unfavorable, for a 17 percentage point net favorable. So where people know both, Mark's measurably more appealing.

And by the September 12 primary, when we do our jobs, every primary Democratic voter will know about Mark's record helping consumers, workers and shareholders over his lifetime as a leading People's Lawyer.

I'm honored to be a part of The Green Team. If you agree that Mark is the best Democrat to continue the Abrams-Spitzer tradition of this great office, I look forward to working with each of you who would like to help.


Hank Sheinkopf"

My daughter Sari gave up the ten inches right outside of the subway stop on 86th street and Lexington avenue, and continued to hand out Metro newspapers several feet away, still on the corner of 86th street and Lexington Avenue.

I called Hank up and told him what Mark had said, and the next day I received a call from Mark's campaign manager, Anne Strahle, who apologized profusely. She suggested that Mark would like to speak with Sari, so I told her when Sari would be available. Mark Green called her and told her how sorry he was that she was upset at giving up her spot on 86th and Lexington, but what an excellent public citizen she was, and how he hoped that she would consider voting him in as Public Advocate.

Sari told me that she thought there was no chance for Mark Green.

Mr. Green re-appeared at 86th street and Lexington avenue in Manhattan while Sari handed out Metro on the northwest corner. Mr. Green displaced the teens handing out the newspaper on the South west corner. They were very angry.